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doors down from that backyard captures the final dramatic moments as police moved in to apprehend him and opened fire. [ bleep ] they killed him. they killed him. >> cease fire. cease fire. >> tsarnaev is believed to be in serious condition, at least that's the last update we got, at boston's beth israel medical center, but there's been a meeting going on between doctors there, public relations officials, and also the fbi.
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and we're told the fbi, if any new information comes out tonight, it will come from them. it will come in the form of a tweet. so any official update on his health could come at any time. investigators are standing by at the hospital so that when he's able to be questioned, they will question him about the attacks. now, the justice didn't has already made the decision not to mirandize the 19-year-old, giving the officials the ability to get some information and determine the brother's motive and they hope eliminate the likelihood of any other threats. joining us now former massachusetts congressman barney frank who's on the phone. congressman, good afternoon. thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> we're hours, really, after this massive manhunt is over, and already you're being the seeds being sewn of some arguments about how to handle all this. first of all the decision by the administration to essentially invoke that public safety
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option. what's your thought? >> well, first i can't imagine it's going to make much practical difference. this is a guy who's been through a couple of years of college in america and watching tv, and my guess is he knows -- has a right to know about the need to talk or not talk. as i said, i doubt very much that this is going to lead him to tell us things. this is certainly valid. this is the case where there is some reason to fear that there are other explosive devices somewhere. in that case it's perfectly reasonable. i would say this from the standpoint of a miranda case. the purpose from miranda in part is to keep someone from being coerced and incriminating
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himself. that ship's sailed. nobody needs any testimony from the murderer about his culpabili culpability. we should put this in perspective. this man is clearly guilty. there is no problem, you know. the miranda rights is anything you say can be held against you. he doesn't have to say anything. they can be held against him and his vicious deeds. this is in a vacuum. i don't think it's going to make much of a difference. >> on the other side, councilman, i'm sure you're not surprised, the aclu says, look, how heinous the crime you don't put aside your rules and regulations that are in place, and so that's one side of it. the other side of it, which goes even further than this public safety exception is the four members of the u.s. senate.
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you have peter king, the congressman, who are saying, forget that. he should be treated as an enemy combatant. should it go that far? >> no. by the way, i am surprised at the lack of confidence in the american judicial system that some of these republican politicians show. we have tried and convicted among the worst and when they say he's an enemy combatant, at this point maybe they have a power. what enemy? on whose behalf are they doing that? the fact is they can't know that. they literally can't know that. unless you're going say anybody who does this would be a combatant, but two americans who bl blew up the building in oklahoma? they're acting on behalf of some hostile foreign power. it could be a country.
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al qaeda is an enemy. but as i say, i don't know how they could possibly know that. there's an unfortunate tendency among some of the people in the business i used to be in that say something that wouldn't be sensible to say, you know, and some people want to be unhappy and angry and controversial. the law enforcement people did much better job than i expected. i certainly did not expect on monday as we tried to digest this terrible crime that they would have gotten the two guys responsible so quickly. it's part of the problem we have in america. can we take a moment to say isn't it good that it worked out this well, that combined law enforcement, federal, state, and local got together? instead there's this need to fight about things, some of which i say are not terribly significant. as far as the demand that he be
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treated as an enemy combatant. that's like, gee, let me get on television and put on a reflex that's a bit premature and also baseless. >> you look at the post-9/11 world and the things that changed in this country, some of them independently, some of them as a matter of congressional action. and i think this will raise some other questions that congress will debate, one of which will have to do with the budget and how in a time when fewer dollars are available and they're making decisions about how they should be apportioned, how much money will go into anti-terror efforts. does it change how we feel about the threats against us? >> i hope it will. i have to be careful here. mr. roberts chide me because i raised that very point last tuesday, and i guess i don't accept having been chided. of course, it's a very important question and it's a very important question, frankly, to
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turn back on some of those who have boasted about government debts. i voted against the sequester. if the sequester going into effect, it doesn't exempt the fbi. it doesn't exempt the experts who are examining these bombs. it didn'oesn't exempt those identifying the photographs. those with the amount of overtime, we're glad they were there, but they're entitled to be paid and i think it's appropriate for there to be funding for the city of boston and watertown and others that are around it. this is the -- this is the hypocrisy in the government, the total inconsistency. the people who are demanding we reduce the deficit are demanding
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more money. i guess we must take money away from someone else to pay for law enforcement. no, i don't want to reduce environmental cleanup and housing for the elderly or cut increases in social security. this is a time we should be providing more money. i guess i'm very grateful that we vote, or at least i did, to increase taxes on people making more than $400,000. >> former massachusetts congressman barney frank. thank you so much for taking the time to speak with us today. we appreciate it. >> you're welcome. also joining us, nbc news terrorism andist roger cressey. bare with me while i read this note that i was just handed. the islamic society of boston, cambridge, has leased starjts delivered it on camera md a heres some of the important
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importants. the suspects were occasional visitors there. they were shocked to hear of the crimes of these two. they never exhibited violence or this behavior. many in the community who knew the tsarnaev brothers have been urged to contact law enforcement. that has taken place. i guess this is just an example of the scope of the kinds of conversation that as the experts are looking into the who, what, when, where, and why, the kinds of people they'll be talking to and where they'll be going to glean information. >> absolutely, chris. and what you see in that statement is reinforcement of some of what we've heard from other people who've known the brothers that their actions leading up to the attack on monday were nothing out of the ordinary. now, the one train of information that we have that is disconcerting is what we've learned about what tamerlan had posted in terms of radical
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websites, postings, tweets in general in terms of extremism. but everything else based on their day-to-day activity we've heard so far is contrary to what took place on monday. >> you always look for threads and do wonder when you hear he had expressed discontent when he felt like he didn't fit in, when he suggested at one point that he didn't want to be in this country anymore, whether sort of those seeds of discontent were clues in any other situation, you know. wouldn't make you think twice. >> well, exactly. and we talked earlier today about if you look at your own circle of friends, that broader circle of acquaintances and if people start to act strange or a little different do you immediately assume what they're about to do is going to lead to criminal activity? nine times out of ten, the answer is no. so based on everything we've seen so far as far as the
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information related to the brothers, it's very consistent with that. the issue that we're going to be looking at as we continue to unpack the "why" is the question of violent extremism. you know, there are plenty of programs within the united states government, at the federal, state, and local level on countering violent extremism, and once we learn the full story of the brothers and what led them to monday, the question will be are there more things we can do within our cve programs in terms of the privatation, the role of the community. it's so important where we can identify the important sources of concern and begin to head it off before we get to the extremists and ultimately the terrorist state. it's a very big issue and broader issue but it's one we're going to be talking for months and years ahead. >> it also seems to me the hardest in many ways of the issues, roger. you read these interviews with those who liked dzhokhar, went
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to school with him, liked him and even with the devastation say they would testify for him. that's how much they liked them. even some of them who thought they recognized, they said, oh, that person in that video, that person in that still shot that was released by federal authorities could be dzhokhar, but never thought to make a phone call because it couldn't possibly be him. >> and, chris, what we hope in terms of us helping to understand the why, we're going to discover the type of information that will make sense to us and make sense in the broader context of why they would do this but also make sense from a community perspective. but it's also entirely possible at the end of the day, we're not going to get that type of understanding. that's why the challenge of countering violent extremism is so difficult and so broad. there's been plenty of examples of previous terrorism plots. those may not pertain to what
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happened on monday unfortunately. >> roger cressey, thank you so much as you continue to help us understand all this. we appreciate it. >> you bet, chris. coming up, the chase, the search, the stand zauostandoff, takedown. rachel maddow will take us through it next. ♪
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tonight. a police helicopter equipped with infrared gear took these pictures showing a suspect hiding on a boat where he was later taken into custody. here's our rachel maddow as she talked of the dramatic events that ended with capture. >> today's newspapers, newspapers that are dated april 20th, 2013 lrks not be read. and a lot of things that will be
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in the april 20th papers will not be noticed even if they get in there. today for example you'll be surprised that the republican governor of kansas signed into law one of the most restricted abortion bans. and the v.a. signed into law a process and the boy scouts described they will stop some of the ways they discriminate people and the giant fertilizer plant, the death toll rose to 14 today and the date on which all of those things happened in the news will forever live on as historical news footnotes because however important those stories are or turn out to be in the long run, it will always be remembered about them if they're remembered as long-term stories that will always be remembered that nobody was following them closely on the day that they happened extent for the people most close to those stories. and the reason people weren't following them today is because today was the day the nation instead was all holding its breath all day long, riveted to
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the sound and the sights of what happened tonight in watertown, massachusetts. we all know that was the start of the fbi hostage rescue team catching the guy, catching the remaining at-large suspect in the bombing of the boston marathon. they got him. he is alive. he is in custody. we have a live report from the hospital where he is right now coming up in just a moment. but to understand how we got here tonight, it started with the fbi press conference that happened last night at roughly 5:30 p.m. at the sheraton, a
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short distance away from where the bombs went off on monday. the benchmark was, of course, when they released the photos of the suspects for the first time and asked the public to please call in if you knew anything about these guys. one of the other big developments, it's easier to see in hindsight was the announcement, they're thinking that the investigation had changed. it 45- to 60-minute changed from being about a lone assail land to being about more than one person. >> through the last day through the careful process, we initially developed a single person of interest, not knowing if the individual was acting alone or in concert with others, we obviously worked with extreme purpose to make that determination. indeed through that process the fbi developed a second suspect. today we are eliciting the public's help to identify the two suspects. >> that happened at 5g last night. once the fbi posted those pictures of the two suspects in
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their surveillance video they say they started receiving traffic at the fbi website at the rate of 300,000 hits per second. we're told that the fbi then began receiving all sorts of names a short time later. it was five hours after the press conference at about 10:30 p.m. that a seemingly unrelated event happened across the wires. across the river in nearby cambridge, massachusetts, police discovered that a campus police officer add m.i.t. had been shot and killed on the grounds of the school. 26-year-old sean collier was shot multiple times inside his police cruiser. it was not clear immediately at the time but investigators believe he was shot by the two bombing suspects who had been publicly identified by the fbi just a few hours earlier. well, after the police officer was shot, the police account of events said the suspects left the scene of the shooting and traveled east. but they did not go far. what they did was they car jacked a mercedes suv at
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gunpoint. they held the own eer of the vehicle hostage and took off. they went to three different atm sites to use that guy's atm card to withdraw $800 in cash. they eventually released the owner of the mercedes sometime around 11:00 p.m. what followed after that was a wild middle-of-the-night car chase and shoot-out between those two suspects and the law enforcement. the scene of that shoot-out in watertown, massachusetts, which is just next to cambridge which is where m.i.t. is, it's unclear whether the suspects were trying to flee the whole area and that's how they ended up there, but suburban watertown is where they ended up and suburban watertown became the basic backdrop for the fire fight that ensued late into the night. residents reported hearing three explosions during that gun explosion and we now know that the two suspects were throwing
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explosive devices at police from inside their moving vehicle during that chase. officials say they recovered pipe bombs as well as a pressure cooker bomb, which we're told is the same type of device that was used in the marathon bombing itself. a pressure cooker bomb. during that fire fight with police in watertown in the dead of night last night there were about 200 rounds were fired. the gun battle ultimately ends in the death of one of the suspects, the one in the dark colored hat, 26-year-old tamerlan tsarnaev. police say he died with an improvised device strapped to his chest. that was around 1:00 a.m. with one suspect dead, police begin a massive door-to-door manhunt in watertown for the other suspect, the 19-year-old brother dzhokhar who fled on foot. hundreds of police officers began canvassing the neighborhood very, very closely.
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a shelter-in-place order was issued in watertown and it was spread out to include all of boston. all transit services stopped. all taxi services stopped. the city comes to a complete halt. and in the midst of the search for the suspect at large another suspicious device is discovered back in boston, this one very close to the site of monday's marathon bombing. that device is ultimately destroyed by police during a controlled explosion. that was sometime before 7:00 a.m. this morning. police then also investigate reports of conspiracy devices at the cambridge apartment where the two suspects lived. officials said the unexplode ed ordnances were discovered. they announced that the manhunt was still on. that despite earlier reports that they might be looking for a is third suspect, that was not the case. they were still focused finding
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this one man, 19-year-old dzhokhar tsarnaev, the one whose brother was killed last night. even though the manhunt was ongoing, the city explained the city could not stay locked down forever. they lifted the shelter in place-order, lifted it for the city even though the suspect was still at large. people were told to exercise caution, be on the lookout, call 911 if they saw anybody, they said there would be heavy police presence in boston and surrounding neighborhoods particularly in watertown. but then this was the most remarkable thing. 37 minutes after that press conference ended with the lifting of the shelter in place-order, 37 minutes later, watertown erupts again. what we know -- oh. [ gunfire ]
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>> what we know about that footage is that it happened shortly after 7:00 p.m. it was shot by an affiliate in boston on a quiet residential street in watertown, only a few minutes' walk where the suspect last night was killed by police. the way the investigators were tipped off to show up to that address, that is just remarkable. so after the shelter-in-place order was lifted by state officials, the person who lived in that house where the fire fight happened, the resident of that house in watertown went outside. the shelter-in-place order was lifted. he went outside reportedly to have a smoke. he keeps his boat on a trailer parked in the back of his house. when he went outside, he notice thad there was something wrong, something amis with the tarp that covered his boat. he walked over to investigate. he approached the boat, pulled the tarp back and saw the suspect hiding inside the boat covered in blood. he then retreated, called 911.
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the police sped to the scene. they sent a helicopter that was equipped with thermal imaging technology so they could use essentially the suspect's body heat to determine if there was somebody alive inside that boat and there was and at that point officials knew there was a reason to go in. the fbi's hostage rescue team, we're told initially tried to talk him out of the boat. he was described at tonight's press conference he was noncommunicative. at this that point there was an exchange of gunfire. we don't know if the suspect was hit by gunfire but after that officials were finally able to take him into custody in an ambulance. just a remarkable resolution to this massive, massive manhunt. one of the biggest cities in america locked down tight for a full working day and as soon as the public was let back out in the streets, it was a member of the public in watertown who caught the guy, and when word got out, when boston police
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tweeted this, captured, three exclamation points, the hunt is over. the search is done, the terror is over. and justice has won. suspect in custody. what followed is not something we've seen since the capture of osama bin laden when people showed up to the white house. residents poured into the streets. they showed immediate relief and emotional appreciation, cheering, saying thank you, waving american flags as they hauled the captured suspect off to the hospital. i think we have footage from boston common. this is the scene a short time ago at boston common. >> usa! usa! usa! boston! boston! >> they're saying boston, boston!
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. they're showing gratitude and relief and joy that this has come to an end. >> rachel maddow on how it all unfolded. a little white lailer what one posted on youtube. what it says and tells about tamerlan tsarnaev coming up. using supercomputing and mobile technology over our secure network, verizon innovators are building a world of medical treatment data in the cloud. so doctors can make a more informed diagnosis from anywhere, in seconds rather than months. because the world's biggest challenges deserve even bigger solutions. powerful answers. verizon. i found our colors. we've made a decision. great, let's go get you set up... you need brushes... you should check out our workshops... push your color boundaries while staying well within your budget walls.
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federal and local authorities are now attempting to piece together what was behind the marathon bombing. it is not clear yet when police will speak to the wounded suspect who is covered under national guard. with us now democratic congresswoman loretta sanchez of california, a member of the
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homeland security. congresswoman, good afternoon. >> good afternoon. thanks for having me on. >> you know, i guess there is an obvious question for someone on the homeland security committee. we have the two suspects, the manhunt is over. does that mean the homeland is more secure or is it shining a light on our vulnerabilities and, in fact, we're maybe less secure than we thought we were? >> well, you can never be 100% secure, you know. it's always that last amount that you have to get to that resources are so incredibly expensive to get to and m manpower, et cetera. i will tell you i believe we're much more secure than we were ten years ago. obviously we learned from this one of the most important things that we know, that when you see something going on that you don't think it's exactly right, report it because when somebody leaves a bag at your feet and walks off, that's the time to
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say, hey, what's going on here. and we get so caught up in some of these events and large crowds and everything, but vigilance is always incredibly important. the one place where we have stopped things from happening is when people have seen things going on and reporting them. >> there is the see something, say something. this has been a reminder to a lost people. but we also know there are, you know, vast networks in place to try to keep this from happening. so, again, as a member of the homeland security committee. what are the questions that you want answered? what are the things you think need to be looked at that might help us in the future to prevent this from happening? >> i always think it's important to understand where the major events are happening, what type of layeren forcement we have going on. remember, when you have something as large as a super bowl or marathon in boston, et cetera, such a major event, it's
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not just the local law enforcement that's working through things. it's a layer of people. my question is it working the way it was thought to be working? are there any lessons we can learn from this? hey, no backpacks in the future. these are things we can ask ourselves. obviously with full families out there and it's a four- or five-hour period, people generally want to take their backpacks with them. another thing i want to say is people always frown when people are opening up their purses entering into a stadium. now you know why. we're not actually looking for the bottles of water. we're looking to see if anything strange is happening in that purse or backpack that you're bringing in. >> there's always this balance we're trying to find between security and safety and personal responsibility but also some level of privacy and, you know,
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some level of convenience. one thing we learned from this is how important surveillance video can be. obviously the pictures would not come out as clearly as they did if it was not for a department store camera which is really, you know, probably set up to catch shoplifters, not to catch bombers. but one thing we should be considering following london's lead, having more surveillance cameras on city streets. >> well, actually, chris, there are many cameras throughout your day where you're being captured whether it's at an atm, department store, stoplight or turning the corner on a street or what have you, and there's actually program, pilot programs that we have that we have cities actually tying all of those in to a central point for a lot of different reasons. if there's a big crash on the intersection, to see what's going on, to start moving traffic away and changing the
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stoplights automatically to move you out of that area if you're driving and don't want to come upon that or if something happens to have a good view of what's going on before you send in your law enforcement. i mean one of the things we saw in the texas situation of the people who were killed were our first responders going in. you always have that problem also. one of the things, it was one bomb. then it was two. you know, which we've seen in israel and other places, you know. how to deal with that. so i think we've learned from places like israel in particular. how do we handle a situation like this? the main thing we're going to be doing is going through this and saying could we have done something differently, did people do what they were supposed to. was there a line of command up and down the different structures to ensure that everybody was on the same page as we move forward. and i think -- i've got to tell you. first of all, our hearts all go out to the residents of boston and everybody who was involved out there, but -- we did a good
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the bombing suspects' heritage comes under a microscope. rachel maddow digs deeper into the chechen background. >> i'm going to be really me tahir for a second but trust me. it has a payoff. during the cold war when you
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think about the earth, the grobe, the two functions that functioned as geobook ends were, of course, us, the u.s. taking over north america between these two other big countries, canada and mexico, us and them, the soviet union, which broke up in roughly 1991. russia is still a big country, but when it wasn't just russia but it was the whole soviet union, it really was freaking massive, enveloping the border of china, which is massive, reaching out toward japan and alaska and to the west getting all the way to scandinavia. its control and influence spreading all the way into east germany. but even appreciating that the soviet union was massive, span 12 time zones from west to east it is still easy to forget how far down it went as well. the soviet union had a big border with iran. two borders with iran actually on either sides of the caspian
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sea. the soviet union was so big it went all the way to the middle east and europe and scandinavia and all of china and japan. just huge. but that part of the old soviet union just west of the caspian sea where it used to go all the way down to touch iran, that part of the world, if you stop thinking about countries and their boundaries and just think of it as land, the land there is marked by this beautiful seam in the earth, this big dramatic straight as an arrow mountain range called the caucasus mountains. since the union has dissolved, we do not see that part of the world anymore as a big part of something else, as a big gigantic opposite number to us, super power. now that we don't see that part of the world as the soviet eun downanywhere we see it as georgia and armenia and suggest of chechnya and ajair ya and if you think i'm mispronouncing
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things just wait. dagg stan and chechnya. it had a hard time dealing with the arrestive nature that was supposed to be under its umbrella but didn't want to be. in world war ii when the soviets were fighting the nazis, separatists in chechnya saw an opportunity and rose up to break free of the soviet union. stalin not only crushed that revolt but what he did to chechnya afterward is part of how stalin earned his repetition today. stalin in 1944, get this, forcibly deported the entire population of chechnya. not the rebels, not the fighters, but everyone in the country. men, women, children. he forced them out of their homeland where they had lived for centuries and made them move
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all the way to siberia and kazakhstan. the whole country deported from their own country. tens of thousands died. they were not allowed to return for ten years. by then it was the late 1950s when cruise tauv was trying to undue some of stalin's legacies. they once again trite to get their independence from russia now that the soviet union was gone. the first war of independence started and then ended two years later in a truce. three years after that chechens inveighed dagist an next door. that second war was horrific, marked by the russians, almost totaled the chechnya city grozny. there was a three-day long attack that killed 300 people, most of them schoolchildren, to the attack on the moscow theater
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where they took 700 hostages and more than 200 people were killed when the russians gassed the theater. we have no idea how today in america if understanding chechnya any better will help us understand the boston bombings any better. the two brothers, one now dead, one in custody, the two brothers named responsible for the bombings are of chechen origin. they have been in the u.s. for nearly a decade. it may turn out that being from chechnya is no more relevant to understanding this case than any other aspect of their lives, their family ties, their religion, their political bel f beliefs, or any other characteristic of them that we can discern from their biographies that we want to use as their proxy for noting their motives. they say the difference between terrorism and crimes that look
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like terrorism is motive, political motive. we don't know what it would have been if there was one. what enthat second chechen war kicked off in 1999, the precipitating event was chechen fighters crossing over the border into daegistan. the two responsible for the bombings were living in dagestan then. the one on the run that's now in custody was in the first grade. the family fled. they made their way to kazakhstan. they then made their way to the u.s. and got asylum. the uncle spoke of the way the family came to the united states, where they came from, and his rage, his almost unadult rated rage at his nephews for what he described as them bringing shame upon the chechen people. >> what do you think provoked this? >> being losers, hatred to those
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who were able to settle themselv themselves. these are the only reasons i can imagine of. anything else, anything else to do with religion, with islam, that's a fraud, that's a fake. of course, we're ashamed. yes, we're ashamed. they're children of my brother. i respect this country. i love this country. this country which gives chance to everybody else to be treated as a human being, as to be just a human being, to feel yourself as a hue manl being, that's what i feel about this people. people are ashamed. people are ashamed in our family. people are ashamed on the entire chechen ethnicity because everyone now names chechen. so they put that shame on the entire ethnicity. so that's what i would say. turn yourself in! >> he did not, but he was caught
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♪ sweet caroline ♪ >> that was a surprise appearance from neil diamond at fenway as the community continues to come together. in the meantime they continue to look for a motive behind the bombings. already social media is providing some clues on their twitter accounts, facebook, and youtube pages. with me now former atf agent in
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charge and msnbc analyst james kav nauf. you know, it's hard to remember anyone without a digital photograph, certainly not a 19- or 26-year-old. what are you looking for. >> we're looking for a fingerprint, chris, that's going to last longer than your real fingerprint. you're going to be the main manufacturer of it. you're going to put it on youtube, on your eye phone, on your computer. you know, that's all great when you are living your live but when you start hurting people, we're going to be able to latch onto that somehow. we're going to get a search warrant and do it in legal ways but we're going to get it. you're going to convict yourself. >> short of saying here's the plan, this is what i'm going do, what do they look for? >> well, they look for the stuff in the cloud, first of all. they're going to be looking for the hard drives where you've developed the plans and communicated with conspirators and associates. you basically give us a map and
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that rocked boston are rare but certainly not unprecedented in the united states. in fact, when the manhunt ended so dramatically yesterday, it was on the anniversary of one o the worst terror attacks in american history, april 19, 1995. a truck bomb devastates oklahoma city. the bomber is soon taken into custody alive. authorities get the chance to question timothy mcvai about his motives, his methods, but he offers very little. years later, msnbc uncovered other rare

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